Turtles Can Live in Peace with
Goldfish
(With waterlilies too?)
by Peter Kacalanos, Director,
Geneva Area Pond Club & Geneva Area Turtle and Tortoise Society
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The waterlily ponds in our garden here in Switzerland are
teeming with life. The dozen goldfish we started with turned
out to be exceptionally promiscuous, and soon populated the ponds
with hundreds of their progeny. We later added aquatic turtles
to the ponds, and now they live in perfect harmony with the fish.
The various warring factions in the Middle East could learn a
valuable lesson from our animals peaceful coexistence.
Many members of our pond club and our turtle society had advised
us not to tempt turtles with presumably delicious goldfish. But
we felt it was worth seeing if they could peaceably share a home,
and were pleased to confirm they can. We learned of their
compatibility with a little experiment: |
I knew that most animals are territorial, and feel safe in
their own little part of the environment. Assertive interlopers
might want to move into that environment, but most do so quite
cautiously if its already inhabited. As a general rule,
in nature the animals that are already in a territory tend to
keep it, while those planning to move into the territory usually
decide to coexist with those who came before.
With that in mind, I set up an experiment in our 500-liter
(over 125-gallon) aquarium. I stocked it with very many aquatic
plants on both ends and the back wall, leaving the front central
area free for open water. I added a dozen young goldfish from
our ponds, and they seemed to enjoy swimming through the dense
vegetation as well as the center stage. After a month, when I
was confident they were familiar with every nook and cranny in
the jungle of water plants, I decided to test my theory of turtle-fish
compatibility.
I fed one young turtle till it was sated, placed it in the
aquarium, and watched to see what happened. Some fish seemed
unconcerned, while others exercised their discretion by deciding
that this was a nice time to stroll through the jungle. In short
order all the fish were swimming around the turtle, examining
it without fear. Days later the turtle seemed to notice the fish
for the first time, and half-heartedly snapped at a few that
came near its mouth. But the fish were already familiar with
all the hiding places among the plants, and retreated to their
safety whenever they sensed danger. The turtle seemed to acknowledge
the fact that the fish were living in that environment first,
so it accepted its position as the new kid on the block. All
the fish and the turtle were soon eating the same goldfish food
at the same time. The turtle seemed to prefer casually dining
at the feeding ring instead of exerting itself by chasing down
a fish to eat. |
In each of the next three weeks I added another well-fed young
turtle to the aquarium, until there were four turtles sharing
living quarters in harmony with the dozen goldfish. Just like
the latest family to move into an established community, the
new turtles seemed reluctant to antagonize their piscatorial
neighbors. Well, I did notice one tiny nip taken from
the tail of two of the fish, but the missing parts regenerated
themselves within two weeks.
When club meetings were held in our home, members of the pond
club and the turtle society were surprised to see the fish and
turtles living together so peacefully. Everyone remarked on how
graceful the turtles were when seen swimming in the aquarium,
in contrast to their lumbering gait when walking on land. (A
ramp in the aquarium led up to a dry basking platform warmed
by a sun lamp.) It was also a pleasure to see all the beautiful
markings on the turtles skin and shells from just inches
away, an appreciation not available when viewing turtles in the
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Over time we watched the turtles grow along with the fish, and
noted happily each time we counted that there were still twelve
fish, intact with all their appendages. Three months later I
was finally satisfied that no major damage would befall the goldfish
living in our garden ponds, so I transferred the four turtles
from the aquarium into the ponds. |
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They must have reveled in their spacious new 29,000-liter (over
7,000-gallon) home with its profuse variety of aquatic plants
and lots of underwater caves to explore. They swam all over,
and found many logs and rocks along the banks on which they sunbathed
for hours at a time. I had designed our ponds to look as natural
as possible. The
turtles basking on the shores heightened the impression that
the wildlife ponds were always here, and that our home was later
built beside them. |
The turtles soon learned to come to the goldfishes feeding
table in the ponds whenever I fed the fish. Our fish eat a wide
variety of comestibles besides commercial goldfish food. Their
favorites are canned or dry cat food, hard-boiled egg, cooked
or raw rice, cooked pasta, raw oatmeal, wheat germ, bread, corn
flakes and virtually any other kind of cereal. Luckily the turtles
eat the same foods, so theyre always well fed. (We wouldnt
want them to go hungry among our goldfish.) We havent yet
seen any turtle chasing or eating any of the fish, although we
could certainly spare some among the many hundreds there. As
aquatic turtles mature, they develop a more vegetarian diet.
Ours will soon be nibbling on some of the more tender plants
growing underwater. Thats fine with me, because I wont
need to remove the excess vegetation from the ponds as frequently. |
Turtle club members saw the natural environment in which our
turtles were thriving, and described it to some friends who were
confining their turtles in small aquariums. Three of those friends
each gave us their pet turtle, so we added them to the four already
living in our ponds, for a total population of seven as of this
writing. We might have more this spring, because weve found
several holes dug into the soil around the ponds. They looked
exactly like the test-holes female turtles dig before they find
the ideal place to lay their eggs. We didnt find any eggs,
but there might be some hidden in a covered nest, and baby turtles
could hatch out this spring.
Other water gardeners might enjoy the sight of one or more
turtles swimming and basking in their ponds. We assume our experiment
shows that well-fed turtles can live in peace with pond fish.
We also assume they can be introduced directly into a pond where
fish already know all the hiding places, as we did with our latest
three turtles. That obviates the need for a preliminary trial
period in an aquarium. There are no guarantees in life, so a
skeptical ponder should ponder the likelihood of any negative
possibilities before acquiring turtles for the pond.
We certainly counsel against choosing aggressive species like
snapping turtles, musk turtles, mud turtles, or soft-shelled
turtles, and all pond fish would certainly concur. (Those turtles
also spend almost all their time on or in the mud at the bottom
of a pond, so theyd rarely be seen and admired.) All of
our turtles are of the species Trachemys scripta elegans,
called Florida turtles in Europe, and red-eared sliders in the
US. Other turtles in the genera Trachemys, Pseudemys,
Chrysemys, Graptemys, and Clemmys have similar
habits, so they would also be good choices for ponds. Theyre
varieties commonly called sliders or cooters or painted turtles
or map turtles or pond turtles. Many are readily available in
the larger pet shops, and can be ordered from breeders with Internet
web sites. |
Bear in mind that each individual turtle has its own personality.
We were charmed to see the distinct differences, both when ours
were in the aquarium, and in the ponds now that theyre
mature. We do miss the ability to watch them up-close in the
aquarium. Thats also where we enjoyed watching the courtship
rituals between a male and his chosen paramour. Most male aquatic
turtles can be recognized by the very long toenails on their
front feet. To impress a female, the male swims backwards before
her and vibrates his nails very quickly right in front of her
face. Its almost a blur, and occasionally the nails even
caress the females face. This display seems to have a salutary
effect on the female, and she soon allows him to mount her from
behind.
Thats when we see the reason for the differences in
the other secondary sexual characteristics of males and females.
The females plastron (the lower shell) is slightly convex
to make room for the eggs shell develop within her body.
The males plastron is slightly concave instead, to facilitate
mounting on the females carapace (the upper shell). His
tail is also fatter and longer, so that it can reach around under
the female to accomplish fertilization. The cloacal opening on
the females tail is close to the base, but on the males
tail its closer to the tip for the same reason. The mating
takes place under water, but the female has to climb out on land
to dig a hole in which to lay her eggs.
She chooses soil that she can dig into easily with her hind
legs, then covers the hole with soil again when she finishes
laying. Water gardeners with turtles should provide a suitable
nesting site in a sunny area near the pond, because its
the heat of the sun that hatches the eggs. Turtles usually lay
two clutches of eggs per year. Eggs laid in early spring will
hatch in the summer; eggs laid in late summer will hatch the
following spring. |
When WGI asked Peter about turtle damage to waterlilies,
he replied:
Good Turtle! Bad Turtle!
Our turtles treat our waterlilies with respect. Our
turtles don't run or yell in the house. Our turtles dress
like young ladies and gentlemen. Like children raised properly
in a good home, our turtles behave in a dignified manner,
as befits their upbringing.
We've heard that other families' turtles eat their
water lilies, but we haven't yet experienced such unacceptable
behavior. It might be another manifestation of each turtle's
distinct personality. Maybe we were just lucky in getting turtles
that don't like the taste of waterlilies--at least the taste
of our waterlilies. They must prefer the soft tissues
of the jungle of underwater plants in our ponds, plus the wide
variety of foods they share with our goldfish. We haven't performed
a taste-test ourselves to see which tastes better, but you're
welcome to do so yourself and then present your report. If other
ponders want to get rid of their turtles, we'll gladly give them
(the turtles!) a good home here in Switzerland. |
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In our garden we keep terrestrial tortoises as well as aquatic
turtles, and we always dig up their eggs and place them in our
homemade incubator for hatching. We regulate the temperature
and humidity in the incubator, both to maximize the number of
healthy hatchlings, and to influence the percentage of males
and females. Slightly higher temperatures tend to produce more
females for our breeding colony.
Our seven turtles and eight tortoises have the freedom to
stroll over our entire garden. They cant wander any farther,
because Ive installed meter-high fencing completely around
the garden. The bottom of the fence is buried six inches deep,
further assuring that the turtles and tortoises stay in and any
potential predators stay out. Others with gardens too large to
enclose completely may choose instead to install fencing just
around the pond itself. Two or three feet of land area around
the perimeter of the pond should lie within the enclosure.
Now that its November, our turtles and tortoises are
shifting into hibernation mode. The land tortoises have been
spending cool nights in their insulated shelters, and will soon
move in to sleep there like bears until warm weather returns
in spring. The water turtles will spend the winter buried in
the mud at the bottom of the ponds, the warmest area of the water
garden. None of them will need any food or other care until they
wake from hibernation in spring, so we always take our long vacations
in the winter.
Everyone planning to add one or more turtles to their ponds
should first acquire some books about their care from the library
or pet shop. Until then, they can find lots of information on
our Geneva Area Turtle and Tortoise Societys web site at
www.turtles.meetup.com/44.
It includes over 200 captioned photos of turtles and tortoises
to help identify the various species, complete alphabetical lists
of every species and subspecies known to science by scientific
name and by common names, links to 600 other turtle and tortoise
web sites on the Internet, a description of our effective turtle-egg
incubator, and much more for everyone interested in keeping turtles.
All water gardeners can instantly join the turtle society for
free right on the web site, wherever they live, and attend its
free meetings whenever theyre in the Geneva area. They
can also join our Geneva Area Pond Club for free on its web site
at www.ponds.meetup.com/1,
where theyll find tons of information about water gardening.
And whenever theyre in this part of the world, theyre
welcome to visit our ponds to see how easily turtles and goldfish
can live in harmony. |
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